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Hikaru 
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(4/6/01 11:22:34 am)
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Re: Billy's money
this is under fun talk so....

It seems that by now it is no longer a matter of arguing but of utter hate. A fight to the death would simplify this by removing the root of the problem.

Then again some psychologists can argue that a relationship such as this can be an expression of love. Kinda like Lupin III and Zenegata.

Hikaru
http://ae86.spydar.com

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/6/01 4:54:36 pm)
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Re: Billy's money
Danny,if I dont get that money,there is NO race,he put up the wager,the only reason charities became involved is because I made mention of it,I'm writing the rules for the race now,moderate revisions are to be made,keep in mind,no
money,no race,and Bill will be MEAT! Smuggla.

Brad Mifsud
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(4/8/01 8:55:47 pm)
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I will help on the fairness of the contest...
Hi guys,

I am a lawyer in Brisbane. I do not know either of you and only know of both of you through this board and related websites. I offer both of you to be the "third party" that could oversee the contest and that everyone sticks to the rules that they have agreed on. I can even write the rules up and get both parties to sign the deal and I can look after any money transactions that take place.

You can email me at bmifsud@carternewell.com.au

I am also a motorsport fan and I am just starting to run my car in events, the first one being the MG car club hillclimb on August 29th at Mt Cotton. Anyways I am willing to oversee the competition. You can both post here or email me at the above if you are interested in my involvement. I am doing this to help you both find a solution to the current problem as I am a visitor to this site and enjoy reading and learning from the posts and see that there is a dispute that I may be able to help resolve.

Brad

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/8/01 10:53:34 pm)
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Re: I will help on the fairness of the contest...
Hey there Brad,it really looks as if the race is a fizzer,
I dont believe Bill has the money to start with,it's a lot of money in any1's book,apart from that,I suspect I will be at that hillclimb,I'd allready be entering if my engine hadnt blown,do you have any more info on it?Thx, Smuggla.

StanAE86
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(4/9/01 11:42:09 am)
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Re: The rules for the race with Smuggler
Nice try Brad, but we all know:

1. Attorneys are liars
2. Attorneys are thiefs
3. You can't trust them further than you can throw them
4. They'd sue their own parents if they could get money
5. They just suck!

It's obvious that you want the money. Pretending to be the third party that'll hold the cash. You must think we're all fools here. WE ALL SUCK! (until you need one)

At least, that's what all my friends tell me. =P

Stan
Attorney at Law

-Stan TURBO AE86 @ Stan's Internet Rest Stop: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7128/

Brad Mifsud
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(4/9/01 2:52:43 pm)
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hillclimb...
Stan,

where are you from... In Australia we are highly regarded as being ethical and fair. RIIIINNNNGGG (the alarm clock) oopps just woke up ;)

The offer still stands if you need a third party and I will obviously do it for free as I love motorsport.


About the hillclimb...

its organised (obviously) into classes, I will be in the under 1600 class. Last time had a very nice sounding Toyota sprinter rally car that was carving up the hill. However I am sorry to say the one to beat in our class is a 4wd 660cc turboed suzuki handivan. Yes I know this is embarassing but it is very modified and suits this circuit well, me thinks it would struggle on longer curcuits/different events. It ran 53 seconds, the toyota sprinter ran 55s (I think) and we ran around 57s (not my car, a friend with the same car). Anyway I am yet to recieve the entry form, I think you need a cams level 2 license and a helmet/extinguisher and extra bonnet latch to compete, just like any event really. I will be running a few more events prior to my "big build" where I am rebuilding the bottom end/balancing etc and putting in a big cam and haltech management along with some headwork and adjustible cam gear. Should be completed in July sometime as I have to source alot of parts for the gearbox and engine.

have fun!

Brad

davegt74
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(4/9/01 7:12:57 pm)
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Re: ok you need rules
Ok you need rules


1) track event 2 NA 4age powered cars race to see which car is the quickest car. 5 lap warm up then the best lap out of 5

2) drag race 2 NA 4age powered cars drag each other to see which one is the quickest 3 passes to warm up then the best of 3 passes

3) dyno session both cars are put on Dyno to see which one has the most power. clean run may take a few tries.

4) vote Toyo people vote on the best car no bearing on winner but for those of us that are not there a few race reports would be nice on who has the better car.

finally the loser has to buy every on at the event dinner or pay to have a Toyota barbecue. that would be even better.
not only that looser pays the other guys expenses like dyno time and other entire fees.

one more thing the looser can not make any fraudulent claims unless they can back it up. no more i have the fastest ever 4cyl 1.6 car ever made or i built the motor my self unless the actually poured the metal in the making of the block. they can say i put the motor together just like the rest of us humans. no more i invented "sound" nothing like that.


regards
davegt74

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/10/01 12:18:55 am)
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Re: ok you need rules
Dave,I think your missing something,wheres Bill?,he's gone mate,he no more has $10000 to bet than you do,like I said all along,he was just "talking big,sayin nuthin",as for your rules,your good at spending other peoples money.As for claims,as none of us can cast our own blocks,all any1 can do is modify whats available,I'm insulted that your comparing something you put together to what I have reengineered,dont do that.And my challenge still stands,I have the fastest F/D,sub 2lt,R/R,factory spec,N/A car on the planet,theres $500 to whoever has 1 quicker. Cheers.

Import parts finder 
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(4/10/01 3:53:24 am)
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why even bother?
I'm kinda wondering why bother? I mean really every week the rules or the cars change. Lets face it this race just wont happen. Isn't it at the point like [bold]who gives a sh*t[/bold] I mean really. It's a race thats it. And even if either of you race, the other wont recive the cash. Why keep the headache going?

MR KWIK
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(4/10/01 4:23:41 am)
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Re: What do I need to do to get my $$$$
That claim is gonna cost you smuggla,how can I collect my $$$ ??????
BTW I have other guys that want that $$$ also,how shall we all go about collecting our cash????

Mr Kwik

Edited by: MR KWIK at: 4/10/01 4:25:47 am

davegt74
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(4/10/01 11:01:31 pm)
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Re: What do I need to do to get my $$$$
i like the idea of spending other peoples money Smuggs ha ha

i do think those rules are good it would keep Bill from showing up with a school bus and kicking your butt :-)

one thing you for got to mention is you have 272 cams in your 20 Valve used cheap unleaded gas and you make all your power below 5000 RPM

davegt74

Brad Mifsud
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(4/11/01 1:46:11 pm)
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Smuggs....
How do you define factory spec? Does that mean standard cam and head etc, or is that just like F2 rules where you have to have same valve size and inlet and exhuast manifolds but you can change cam and compression and do headwork?

Brad

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/11/01 2:51:34 pm)
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Re: Smuggs....
Brad,factory spec is what the factory supplies in stock standard form.
GT,I dont have 272 cams in the blacktop,that's my old 16V head,when I cam the blacktop,I'll look at around 312deg.
That should be interesting,with 10mm lift. Smuggla.

Brad Mifsud
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(4/11/01 4:53:08 pm)
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Are you saying then...
That your stock standard car is quicker then a type R integra? I would like to see it at the hillclimb, if its under 1600cc we'll be in the same class! The minis are hard to beat out there (unfortunately!).

Brad

AZA510 
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(4/11/01 8:01:22 pm)
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This is how it should be
I agree 100% with GL86

"As for my thoughts, I think Bill should just wait till he's done his AE86. I think it would be a much honourable and exciting race, AE86 Vs. AE92, FWD vs. RWD, 20V vs. 16V, Forced induction Vs. NA... WHAT MORE CAN WE ASK FOR?! This is a true battle between the things we debate all the time on this board. I would love to see this race happen, but unfortunately I live in Canada. Maybe the video idea would not be bad, I would pay to see something like that.

Also, another thing... I think this should not be a race to kick whoever off the board, or wager hard earned money. This is a perfect chance to prove both Bill and Smuggla's ability to tune, race and show TRUE SPORTSMANSHIP! We are all on the same boat when we come to this msg board, we all love our cars."

I think thought that this was a show to see who is the truth bringer and who knows @#%$ all. I think we should have no restrictions BUT a few. I think that you firstly should have a toyota ROAD REGISTORED car and an TOYOTA 4A ENGINE! For this would be DAM good to see on this forum.

before the race I think you should give the money to a trustee party and they keep the money till race is over and then the money is given to either the winner or to charity. BUT I think that the deal should be that they should either both give to charity or both give to each other. I dont think that "if bill wins he gets from SmugFuk and if Smuggsalot wins Bill give to chartiy" I think thats @#%$. Oh and have the same tyres. I think winner gets from loser!!! END OF STORY NO MORE RESTRICTIONS.

Like I said about the "3rd Party" I think that Brad Mifsud would be a good asset. He has offered his services so TAKE THEN!!

As for a track why not use a track that ISNT well known and is a track you both havent used. UMM Like the one just south of Brisbane? umm west of a place called Yatala. Ill get the name of it.... its called Darlington Park Raceway

Oh Smuggla thanks for the entertainment ITS KILLING ME HAHAH :lol :lol
"And my challenge still stands,I have the fastest F/D,sub 2lt,R/R,factory spec,N/A car on the planet,theres $500 to whoever has 1 quicker. Cheers." -smuggla

Oh and I think that factory spec means that its all genuine toyota parts. Inc TRD parts.

Bill I say make your toyota and KILL'EM
Cheers and RACE HARD BOYZ

Aaron

austfwdcorolla 
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(4/12/01 5:49:51 pm)
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Re: This is how it should be
I say @#%$ the money, all us Brisbane/Gold Coast boys should just go out to Lakeside for some fun! I've done it a few times in the AE92 and I'm really keen to take the AE86 out there. :)

Shane
www.4agze.com
www.twincam16.com

Twincam 16 
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(4/13/01 11:18:19 pm)
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Re: This is how it should be
Yeah, Bring on lakeside

Later
Shane.
Buy 'em... Modify 'em... Race 'em... CRASH 'EM!!!

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/14/01 12:24:27 am)
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Re: This is how it should be
Good Grief.

MR KWIK
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(4/14/01 7:14:14 pm)
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Re: This is how it should be
Hey smuggla,we have video & time slips,how about that cash?

So far I have 3 guys with factory stock cars that want your money.........

Mr Kwik

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/14/01 8:00:46 pm)
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Re: This is how it should be
Really? what are they?

MR KWIK
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(4/14/01 8:20:02 pm)
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Re: This is how it should be
2 are Volkswagens the other is an Acura

How do ya' want to work it out?

Mr Kwik

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/15/01 3:41:45 pm)
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Re: This is how it should be
OK,I'll humour you.The Acura is a 2lt...stock is it? what year are the volkswagons?there 2lt's too I spose...your not really telling me anything... Smuggla.

PUNKARA
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(4/15/01 4:25:29 pm)
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Re: The rules...
The only thing I was thinking to add is the business with the final money donation. Donating to charity is shure a fine thing, but why not instead spend the money for further 4A-GE power output experimental development?
Few weeks ago I went to FENSPORT in England, they are currently building an all steel 3S-GTE able to stand excessive turbo charging... this said, how about an all steel 4A-GE?...:)
well good luck to both parties with the race.
:)

Mark aust
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(4/18/01 12:53:28 am)
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Re: The rules...
hey smuggla, is 1999cc still considered a sub 2ltr?


@#%$

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/18/01 2:43:49 am)
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Re: The rules...
Well...not considering the world wide marketing strategies,
or motorsport federations,if thats the case,what is 1587cc's classed as?but hey,if it's atmo and F/D,step up,I'll give it a go.
MR KWIK!!!! wassup bad man? wheres these hotshots your mouthing about? I asked for details...where are they?
Smuggla.

MR KWIK
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(4/18/01 4:33:30 am)
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Re: The rules...
They're all 1.8ltr's........trying to figure out how to post the video......

Mr Kwik

MechaMegloManiac
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(4/18/01 3:20:32 pm)
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Re: The rules...
1.8lt's,what mods? full interior? what I dont understand...
is that you dont even know what my car is,yet...your allready saying I'm beaten...just tell me the mods,and the
0-100 times...

BZG 
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(4/18/01 8:38:16 pm)
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ain't no race
dis race isn't going to happen :)

we need answers over in tracktalk, everybody is wasting time on this post :(

including me 8)

Mr 20valve 
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(4/18/01 10:01:35 pm)
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You stupid bastard...
Smugshit,

Mate if youve got the fastest N/A under 2L in the world, why would you be scared to give Bill a run in a car powered by the motor from a SUZUKI SWIFT!!!
I reckon if i set up a race with you on a PUSHBIKE against your "blacktop" powered bullshit-mobile you'd still back out...

I can only imagine that you are some fat, balding, middle-aged, lonley man with WAY too much time on his hands, desperately trying to convince the users of this forum of your supposedly superior intellectual ability & seemingly boundless incorrect knowledge of any and every matter raised by absolutley anyone.

Thus your "Veil of secrecy" (As Bill put it), as if I was you (for which I am eternally grateful that I am not), I wouldn't be letting anyone know who I was either.

I'm not going to bother being as polite as everyone else on this forum by just calling you an idiot, you're a fucken dumb @#%$. I've read so many of your posts i know what an idiot you are already.

Die.


P.S Can't wait for your retort, which will undoubtedly be unintelligable drivel

Plus you probably drive a stocker, dont ya???

Foolboost
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(4/18/01 10:46:59 pm)
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Wow....
Thanks.

Now I know what kind of guy I really am. I'd say I'd fit the description of the loser you mentioned. Balding like 60% of men over 25. Overweight like most of the male population of the western world. Middle aged (almost) like most people will be if they live that long. And to top it all off, I like most people, even some that visit this site drive a stocker. :\

Insert witty comment below \/

Edited by: Foolboost at: 4/18/01 10:53:58 pm

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